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come blast off in my time machine third

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eye feeling like a knee vision blast off

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blast off blast off blast off

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come blast

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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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i'm ryan broadcasting from somewhere in

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the uinta basin

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and well the original outlaw of the

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airwaves bringing you

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an epic episode tonight tonight we are

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talking with a long-time

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basin resident who well lived back in

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the basin when

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things were not quite the same as they

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are now

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moved and now she has moved back to the

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it's very interesting some of the older

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stories and how

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similar they are to the newer stories

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christine

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riley is someone i respect very much i

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trust her word

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and she's just an overall likable person

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so i'm blessed to get her on this

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podcast

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i'm going to try to talk to more people

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that are

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well familiar with some of the

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strangeness from back in the day

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because back in the day is the only way

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we might know what to expect

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in the future so maybe that's where we

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should concentrate

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some of our efforts and i know a lot of

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people are

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there's a lot of researchers tackling

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this and it's one of the greatest

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questions of our time

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the high strangeness in the deserts in

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remote parts of utah i'll tell you what

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it's the type of thing that really gets

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my blood going and it keeps me well

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interested so now the shameless

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self-promotion if you haven't gone to

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heroparanormal.com please do

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you can join for a buck a buck or two or

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if

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you want to go all the way in i think

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it's eight bucks a month and you get

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everything on the menu

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that's it self promotion over without

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further ado

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christine riley welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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thanks so there is a lot of background

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to the unit basin

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that a lot of people have kind of

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overlooked

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the uintah basin has been a place that

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has had high strangeness for

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well some say as long as they can

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remember but you lived there

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quite a while ago and have some pretty

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amazing stories don't you christine

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could we i don't know where to start

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even i'm just gonna go with

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what i think was one of the most

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fascinating which included

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a story about if i'm not mistaken it's

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been many years that we haven't we

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but it was a story if i'm not mistaken

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somewhere in the epicenter of the uintah

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basin that involved

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a black helicopter and possibly like

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something under a tarp behind a semi

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correct okay i'll be glad to start there

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um this was after i'd had

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a lot of visits to the ranch that this

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um and i was actually home it was about

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at night and i received the phone call

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and it was my daughter and she was

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really excited seeing mom go outside

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so i the minute i went outside i saw a

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helicopter actually going over my

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house it was a military helicopter

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and i thought that's weird and she says

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i'm coming to get you right now and i

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so i just waited for outside she came

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and as we were going down highway 40

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passing us and uh we've kind of followed

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if i really don't remember the road

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unfortunately it was a road before

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the ranch and before the little um

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wrote down a little side road it wasn't

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call today

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as we were going down that road um

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there was people passing us and we

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would actually have to pull right over

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that it was a a semi truck

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ride and he said well i suggest you turn

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a minute he passed us and we went on

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see to this late at night is a bunch

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of of lights out in the field we could

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really couldn't see anything so we

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just came around and went home and so

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investigating i called the police and

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that you know they could tell me what

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was going on and and they wouldn't say

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and i kept asking friends and kept

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asking a lot of people

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somebody in the tribe committed suicide

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their name was and they'll bring you the

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said they actually went out there

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and looked we didn't go back

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um we should have but there just was any

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time and i know at that time i

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was really busy but they said they

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people had done some digging and

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a strange um occurrence that i wish i

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interesting part about it was is where

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suvs and those summer trucks come

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all of a sudden you know because we were

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maybe it was just something that went

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and then they were just there to hurry

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but there was a lot of for a little

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small draw there was a lot of action on

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it for sure

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it sounds like there was a lot of action

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for a rural community like you know the

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a lot of the communities are rural

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enough that you will get

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you you know a few vehicles but not like

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a squad like you're mentioning a full

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squad of vehicles coming in that that's

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pretty intense

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yes and they had the firing scoring and

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everything when they were going down

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i thought yeah when we followed them

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i mean it was pretty they were in a

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hurry to get there

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um so that was interesting yeah it

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is and christine do you remember more or

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what year that would have been it's hard

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i want to say it was around 1998 1999

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um that's pretty good that's pretty good

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no that's very interesting and i you

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others have actually mimicked this exact

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story told the same story in the past

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and i know that a lot of people

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including myself have wondered is this

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really happening and then you know to

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hear it from various sources that kind

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of helps a little bit uh there's other

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stuff in the basin that really kind of

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goes bump in the night and stuff like

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one of the most fascinating stories uh

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it involved a very wealthy gentleman

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who had friends high up in the poli in

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and i believe he had some interesting

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went to some maybe some grounds or

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territories where you actually kind of

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felt some energies maybe

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does that sound familiar yes yes it does

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um and i'm not mentioning is that i

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actually went to work for these people

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and um you know at first i just figured

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you know it was a normal job and and

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and um and they were just a little

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different they

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they had um but they have a lot of

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and one day he wanted me to

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follow him up to these cabins

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and he needed to drop a truck off and he

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wanted me to drive him back to the

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and i said sure so you know i follow him

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and he pulled it and i got out of the

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you know you like you just stepped out

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into a different kind of really strange

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uh weird feeling and so i was kind of

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and and he came over and he goes did you

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and i said no and he said what the

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matter

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i said oh i'm just um feeling something

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on your strength here

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he goes what do you mean i don't just

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feel a different atmosphere here if i

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feel really different

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and he says you can feel that and i said

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and and right then i thought that was

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a different thing to say right

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and then as i was continuing being

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under their employment they got calls

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um frequently from a very very high it's

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probably about as high as you can go

288
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political person

289
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right and at first i thought it was a

290
00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:16,000
joke but it definitely was not

291
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um it would be the secretary calling for

292
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for them that render the business

293
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and they had very extremely high ties

294
00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:29,760
with um the government

295
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and he actually was sent to utah to

296
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shane

297
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do some other things there and they also

298
00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:39,680
had a lot of times people coming

299
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in quite a big operation that had

300
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their own helicopters in their own um

301
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trucks and they were out doing special

302
00:11:55,030 --> 00:11:53,680
um things they were out there exploring

303
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for things and

304
00:11:58,470 --> 00:11:56,720
and they told me that they were

305
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exploring for gas

306
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i really don't think that's true it was

307
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really um

308
00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:04,160
really really interesting i just went to

309
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work one day and

310
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the whole office was you know flooded

311
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with all these um

312
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construction guys and and hella talked

313
00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:14,000
to her there and

314
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this great big operation and it went on

315
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for about two days

316
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and then all of a sudden they were gone

317
00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:21,360
and nobody would really

318
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tell me anything about and uh but

319
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i really got the impression after

320
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working there for so long

321
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and talking to a lot of people that they

322
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were they had something to do with the

323
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ranch

324
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i i could bet you know 100

325
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that there was something going on and it

326
00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:43,600
had something that tied into

327
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um the ranch i'm not really sure um

328
00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:48,800
what it was but i do know that there

329
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were some people that

330
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and if you would go up there they'd

331
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actually stop you and tell you ask you

332
00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:57,760
why you're there and make you leave

333
00:13:00,790 --> 00:13:00,079
and they're really secretive about a lot

334
00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:00,800
of things

335
00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:02,720
it's funny you mentioned that christine

336
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because i

337
00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:06,079
was one of those people that got chased

338
00:13:10,949 --> 00:13:07,920
off apprehended

339
00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:10,959
by him and his his i guess uh

340
00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:14,160
his his his security force

341
00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:17,760
yes so yeah i mean that's just

342
00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:19,600
giving some validity to your story

343
00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:21,200
because i actually went through it and i

344
00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:22,959
feared for my life so i mean

345
00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:29,269
it's scary yeah but you know it wasn't

346
00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:29,680
no

347
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:35,360
a person making up for stories i mean

348
00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:40,550
was happening and they were mysterious

349
00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:42,800
it was scary business whatever was going

350
00:13:47,509 --> 00:13:44,240
on up there

351
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:47,519
interesting and one time i was talking

352
00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:48,000
to him

353
00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:51,440
and um he was and i think he was

354
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:54,880
had a few drinks at that point and

355
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:57,360
he started telling me uh about their

356
00:14:02,310 --> 00:13:59,040
business

357
00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:02,320
and how he made a lot of money and

358
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:05,279
how um they wanted him to come up here

359
00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:06,000
and

360
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,199
i'm just like well what are you

361
00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:12,959
investigating he says that we're just

362
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:14,240
trying to see

363
00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:16,000
about the land and if we can make as

364
00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:17,680
much money on this land

365
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:20,399
um and he really wouldn't tell too much

366
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:20,959
but

367
00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:23,279
then he did pull out this card it was

368
00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:24,560
like a credit card

369
00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:26,639
out of his wallet it was all that

370
00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:28,560
certain stuff on it

371
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:31,040
and he says i'm one or ten people that

372
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:32,639
have one of these cards

373
00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:36,160
and i'm like okay and it was just you

374
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:36,800
were just

375
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:40,320
really really a strange um people but

376
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:42,399
but i know i know of at least three

377
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:44,160
people that were have been up on that

378
00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:45,760
land and actually

379
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:48,079
been pulled over and threatened and and

380
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:48,959
told them

381
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:52,800
to come up on that land so of course

382
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:55,440
and to be honest i mean it's very real

383
00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:57,120
there's a police report to

384
00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,240
the situation i had and i mean i had to

385
00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:02,639
i was scared i was really scared and the

386
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:03,600
way that they acted

387
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:06,160
it kind of seemed like they didn't plan

388
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:06,959
on just

389
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:11,040
beating me up yes

390
00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,320
that's true and some other interesting

391
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,320
areas in the basin and i know that

392
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,240
there's been a lot a lot of

393
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:20,240
a lot of attention lately recently you

394
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:21,519
know these things

395
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:23,199
have a tendency to come out urban

396
00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:25,680
legends turn into something more but

397
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,519
this is more than an urban legend

398
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:29,360
and it kind of has been for quite some

399
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,519
time when you first moved to the uinta

400
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,360
basin christine what was your original

401
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,040
impression of it and when did things

402
00:15:42,829 --> 00:15:37,440
start to get weird

403
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:44,629
1989

404
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:48,000
um i managed restaurants i managed pizza

405
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:50,079
huts and they sent me out there to

406
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:52,959
to manage the one in roseville and at

407
00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:54,240
that time

408
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,079
the only thing i really felt that was

409
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:57,920
spraying just because

410
00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:00,720
roosevelt was part of it was indian land

411
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:01,120
and

412
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:05,120
people coming

413
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:08,240
to pizza hut and i really didn't hear

414
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:09,519
much about the ranch

415
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:14,240
until probably it was about

416
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:21,910
the 1900s um but one day i was

417
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,880
we were really busy extremely busy and i

418
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,000
saw

419
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,079
all these trucks falling into pizza hut

420
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,839
one right after another

421
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:31,680
and one of them kind of had a camera

422
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:33,759
thing and i just thought

423
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,240
oh i wonder what they're doing and then

424
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:38,079
i looked at that and i saw that they

425
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:40,079
were filming one of the fires and

426
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:42,320
there was probably about 15 of them they

427
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:43,600
came in and they'd get

428
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:46,639
an ache and the rich came back and told

429
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:46,959
me

430
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,720
they're so busy

431
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,399
visiting with people and i said well

432
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,240
then yeah leave them alone and

433
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,880
just let them eat so when they came up

434
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:58,079
to pay

435
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:01,040
one of them had a utah ufo a nurse

436
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,720
t-shirt on

437
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:05,439
and i mentioned like oh i've wanted to

438
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,880
see a ufo

439
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:08,400
and he says well you're in the right

440
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,640
place and he told me dan that they were

441
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:12,240
just about

442
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:15,520
um doing some filming at the ranch and i

443
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,160
said oh

444
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,959
i had never even heard of it and and so

445
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,799
his friend wrote down his name

446
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,360
and his email address and we started

447
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:25,199
talking back and forth

448
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,160
and then one day i thought well he gave

449
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:30,400
me the address of how to get out there

450
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:33,360
i wanted i to i drive it was a nice hot

451
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,559
summer day

452
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,280
and i was able in those days i was able

453
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:39,440
to drive down the road right up into the

454
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,559
fence it said

455
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:43,200
keep out and there was any barriers or

456
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,559
anything

457
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,039
so i'm going down the road and my first

458
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,520
thing that happened was a black dog it

459
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:51,760
was kind of like a cattle dog

460
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,120
and there was a local home on the

461
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,080
left side of the road and he came

462
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,240
running out right in front of me i was

463
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,640
just barking just really really mad

464
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:05,120
looking at my tires and so i had a

465
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,080
really slow

466
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,120
down and kind of avoid the flat dog

467
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:11,760
so i got up there pulled right up to the

468
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:12,559
gate

469
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,160
like a cut of

470
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,520
meat it was fresh you could tell there

471
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:21,919
was no fur on it it was a great

472
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,280
chunk of meat that was wrapped around

473
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,240
that um they gave right by the keep that

474
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,200
sign

475
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:31,919
so i took a picture of it and i thought

476
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:34,400
that is really strange and so

477
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:37,600
i went back home and i called in

478
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:40,400
and talked to the general gentleman

479
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:43,120
about the ufo ranches and i told him

480
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:46,320
and he kind of did some investigating

481
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,120
and i

482
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:49,120
and he said that that he called me back

483
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,799
and said that was this

484
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,960
indian sign that they put to keep out

485
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:54,240
you know warning

486
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:57,440
the people to keep out of that area and

487
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:58,080
i thought

488
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:01,360
oh that's strange so i went out there

489
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:02,320
several times

490
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:05,919
after that and sometimes with friends

491
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:09,039
um sometimes with my daughter and every

492
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:10,000
time i would go out

493
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:14,160
there um if something would happen

494
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:18,000
but we really wouldn't realize that it

495
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,200
was that normal or

496
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:20,880
didn't really realize it was out of

497
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:23,360
place for probably the next day or a

498
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:24,080
couple days

499
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:27,440
we started thinking about it like

500
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,520
one time we went out there and you

501
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:30,960
always had that

502
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,640
that strange feeling and we heard water

503
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,559
running a lot of water running just like

504
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:38,640
we were right next to a river

505
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,760
to the right or left of it and and so

506
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:44,080
you know we started you know talking

507
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,120
about

508
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,520
you know why did we hear a river and

509
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,280
then um

510
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,760
always see strange lights slide around

511
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:53,120
by the ranch area

512
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:57,520
a lot of orb and a lot of strange lights

513
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:01,919
and so it was just really amazing that

514
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:04,640
it was all these things happening but

515
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:05,679
while you're there

516
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,080
you don't realize the strangeness of it

517
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:09,679
and i thought that was one of the

518
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,080
most unique things about the ranch that

519
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,080
you know it's almost like it's some kind

520
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:17,840
of intelligence

521
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,039
that is kind of tricking you i don't

522
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,120
know if that's the right way to put it

523
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:25,760
uh sure and and for our listeners um you

524
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,679
keep mentioning the ranch and back then

525
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,760
it was known as the old sherman ranch

526
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:30,960
correct

527
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,000
no

528
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,760
that's okay because most of us we really

529
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,919
do know but you know it's better to just

530
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,440
kind of throw that out there that it is

531
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,039
the old sherman place

532
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,960
and and yeah sorry that's all i wanted

533
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,640
to say go on

534
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:46,880
and and i just wanted to check on one of

535
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:47,679
the

536
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:51,600
probably stranger things that happened

537
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:52,640
and

538
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,480
the best day it just just really really

539
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,679
um it really scares me to think of what

540
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,039
happened that night

541
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,320
well i um i went out there with two

542
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,919
one friend and then my daughter two

543
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,919
other you know those two people

544
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,000
and it was a really nice hot summer

545
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:11,760
night there was always those nice

546
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,880
hot summer nights in in you in the basin

547
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:17,120
and so we went out there pulled right up

548
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,240
to the gate

549
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,000
and we got out we're kind of standing

550
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,640
around um drinking our soda pop and just

551
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,559
you know kind of talking and giggling

552
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:25,760
and like

553
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,120
girls do and then we started looking

554
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,720
down the road

555
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,600
towards the ranch and i saw this red

556
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:34,559
light

557
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:37,760
flashing on and off on and off

558
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,799
up pretty high and i thought

559
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,840
you know i said i wonder i got the

560
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:44,400
camera

561
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:49,760
and then right below it we started

562
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:53,280
seeing like a green light flashing

563
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,960
and i thought what's going on you know i

564
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:59,280
and i'm a very inquisitive person you

565
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,000
know i

566
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,640
it's the worst part of me i have

567
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:05,600
probably no common sense or no fear

568
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,840
but um so i told them i said i'm gonna

569
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,440
crawl underneath the fence and i got a

570
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,080
lot down there and i know this is

571
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,480
against the line oh my goodness oh my

572
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:18,799
goodness okay at that point

573
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:21,919
um with the shermans i really don't well

574
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,000
i guess it would still get vlogged

575
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,159
so i'm walking down i wasn't afraid at

576
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:30,080
all i wasn't

577
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:34,240
walking at a fast pace i was just

578
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,320
slowly walking down and but the minute i

579
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:40,400
got onto the road it got

580
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,080
extremely dark and that kind of bothered

581
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,840
me

582
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,000
so i had to watch it for a good five

583
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,520
minutes and it

584
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,280
didn't seem like i was really going

585
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:53,600
anywhere

586
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,280
and i you know it was just

587
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,520
you know staying calm and not really

588
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:00,799
concerned

589
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:04,080
and then i started hearing something

590
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,280
moving in the

591
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,200
um brush the brush next to me

592
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,000
and i thought it's cows so i wasn't

593
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:13,760
still i wasn't concerned

594
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,880
and so the more i bought that sound was

595
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:19,440
kept getting louder and it was almost

596
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,320
like it was

597
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,320
following me going at the same pace i

598
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,000
was i was looking at

599
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,080
me and then i'm like okay i'm just

600
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:27,840
walking a little bit more

601
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,840
and and um i kept looking over and it

602
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,200
kept looking at

603
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,320
whatever it was was getting closer to me

604
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,000
so i decided well i was going to turn

605
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,919
around and go back

606
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,520
so i turned around and just started

607
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,679
walking again i wasn't

608
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,640
you know told myself just to be calm but

609
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,480
then i could just tell whatever it was

610
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,480
was close to me

611
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,320
and i was really in good shape at that

612
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,400
time i used to drive plus manage a

613
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:55,840
restaurant

614
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:58,400
so i started running at a pretty good

615
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,440
pace

616
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,600
and i could just feel that whatever it

617
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,039
was

618
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:06,559
i

619
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,159
got to the gate

620
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,640
the wind was blowing really really bad

621
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,520
really super bad it was really dusty

622
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,440
and my friends were standing there just

623
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,840
really upset really hysterical as

624
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,400
they're saying where have you been and

625
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,120
at that point i really was thinking

626
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,799
about anything and i crawled and took a

627
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,679
date

628
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,200
and i was shaky and my skin was just red

629
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,400
i read her feet red and

630
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,520
so um i got underneath there we talked

631
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,480
for a minute

632
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,679
and i said well let's get out of here so

633
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:08,320
we got the car and then we start driving

634
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,120
out

635
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,120
and then here came the black dog the

636
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:12,720
famous spot dog

637
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,830
i mean it was really really scary i mean

638
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,840
he was doing everything he was

639
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,840
jumping up on the windshield and and

640
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,600
then at one point he got down there was

641
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,000
jumping

642
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,520
on the doors it was really really scary

643
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960
so we finally got to the end of the road

644
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,120
the ranch road and instead of going to

645
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,760
highway 40 for some reason we took

646
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,720
the opposite way we remember this

647
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:44,320
pathway into

648
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:47,600
roosevelt and and it just seemed like it

649
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:48,640
took us forever

650
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,760
almost 40 minutes to get home so when i

651
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:53,279
got home i went and looked in the mirror

652
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:53,919
and i was

653
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:57,279
totally red i had this huge

654
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,039
red rash it was all over my body

655
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,360
and i was told later that it was a

656
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,559
radiation rash

657
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,919
they thought and um i mean it took it

658
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:10,559
probably two days before it actually

659
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,559
went away and it was just

660
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,480
it was just really really a scary

661
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,559
evening and we didn't go back there

662
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,080
probably for a week

663
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,320
and then finally when we decided to go

664
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:23,600
back there

665
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,120
we stood there and at the gate

666
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,520
and it was a nice night again and then

667
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,159
we kind of walked over by some trees

668
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,120
and to the right of us and as far as you

669
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,559
could go with that

670
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:39,600
offense and then my friend who's a

671
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,799
really serious person

672
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,440
she started coming you know and i'm kind

673
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,720
of looking at her

674
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,320
and then she just started kind of

675
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,760
singing the song

676
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,919
and then i kind of started dancing and

677
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,080
i'm like what are you doing oh weird

678
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,080
so i just felt really happy and really

679
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,600
calm and

680
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,640
and and then you know kind of like what

681
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:01,919
is going on

682
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,039
and so finally i told myself go back to

683
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,480
to the car and then she got was normal

684
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,760
again and so

685
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,400
we got the car and about to come home

686
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,279
and then i started thinking

687
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,840
of what that ranch is really playing

688
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,840
with online so that's honest truth

689
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:24,320
i've decided that it really has some

690
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:25,360
kind of

691
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,919
it picks and choose jesus who wants to

692
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,640
how can i put this who it wants to

693
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,080
relate with

694
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:37,200
and who it wants to

695
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,840
to kind of you know have a relationship

696
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,720
with i guess

697
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,679
yeah and what you know it's it's it's

698
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:46,960
kind of a living thing

699
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,559
it acts like it sounds crazy but uh

700
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,480
the land up there is sort of a living

701
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,760
thing

702
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,880
yes it's true and it controls you

703
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,520
somehow

704
00:28:00,789 --> 00:28:00,320
it really does yes it's not some way of

705
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,799
of

706
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,880
making well i don't know if the right

707
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,960
word is controlled and i'm not best at

708
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,320
describing things sure

709
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,720
but it has some kind of intelligence

710
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,480
that can make you

711
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,480
believe something powering and it may

712
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:13,520
not be happening

713
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,760
or it can make you believe like they're

714
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,679
a river where there's not a river you

715
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,799
know it yeah

716
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,840
it can make you think and believe

717
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,880
um other things that that's really quite

718
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,640
dangerous and after that

719
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,399
um i didn't go out there for quite some

720
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,240
time after that i was really quite

721
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,760
concerned

722
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:36,720
as i'm never going out there again so

723
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:37,279
it's

724
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:42,159
situation and i can see why you were

725
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,039
concerned

726
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,760
there's so many there's that that's

727
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:46,399
quite a

728
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:52,480
the area now back then christine i feel

729
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,880
like

730
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,320
you're just such a wealth of knowledge

731
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,240
because you know

732
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,320
it was magical back then it was so much

733
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,000
different and

734
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,440
like you said there was you could get

735
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,840
right up in there uh

736
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:06,720
the gate was probably fresh and new and

737
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:07,039
and

738
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,000
for for peop for our listeners ideas

739
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:15,120
and back then it seemed like there was a

740
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,080
lot of

741
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,120
well work taking place up there and

742
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,520
things going on and and it seemed like

743
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,960
there was a lot of rumors that were

744
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,799
unsubstantiated did you hear any of

745
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:27,440
those or see any other sightings

746
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,640
well i did after i finally realized what

747
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,840
that place

748
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,720
was and and started asking a lot of

749
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:35,360
questions

750
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:39,840
um one um convenient piece pizza had i

751
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,320
you know

752
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,320
had a crew and they started telling me

753
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:44,000
some interesting things about the

754
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,279
sherwins and

755
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,320
and and other studies that um there was

756
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,320
a lot of ufos fighting

757
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:53,039
that you know my crew was all telling me

758
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,480
about

759
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,360
i'm nothing right now that stands out as

760
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,880
anything different than

761
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,000
you know a lot of lights in the sky um

762
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,840
but there's a lot of strange things that

763
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,039
they tell me

764
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,080
when the servants first moved into the

765
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:11,600
um ranch in the house that there was a

766
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:12,480
pack box

767
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,640
in a and lots on each one of the doors

768
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,679
you know that the bedrooms all had locks

769
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,480
on them

770
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,760
and they had to have in fact it was my

771
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,600
husband that got caught up there

772
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,600
they had to change out you know take out

773
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,039
all the locks and

774
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,600
and because there wasn't a way to open

775
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,279
them so they went out then took all that

776
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:34,640
stuff off of the doors

777
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,000
sure and there was a lot of um things

778
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,520
happening to them

779
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,880
and mr sherman would always i think she

780
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,480
worked at the bank

781
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:47,279
and she was really really scared there

782
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,399
was always

783
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,600
scary things happening like

784
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,600
she'd go in and put her groceries away

785
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,200
and come out they were either put

786
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:56,960
somewhere else or

787
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,559
um different things like that

788
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:03,200
they always had abnormal animals you

789
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:03,600
know

790
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,600
in their yard um and

791
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:09,919
you know different noises at night and

792
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:12,559
strange things like that happening

793
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,760
yeah and it was just really really

794
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,000
bizarre and one of the most interesting

795
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,760
things if i had an

796
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,559
indians working for me and i tried to

797
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:23,760
talk to him about

798
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,039
the ranch and they would not talk

799
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:29,519
about it they would not say a word about

800
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,080
it

801
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,480
um they just said that they're not

802
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,840
supposed to talk about it

803
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,919
and they were actually and they were

804
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,960
really

805
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,600
talkative young kids that most part but

806
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,720
they got really

807
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,519
serious and really you know won't even

808
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,039
talk about it

809
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,559
so um and it is serious business

810
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:51,200
it was just really really an interesting

811
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,399
place

812
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,080
and there was a lot of stories that i

813
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,080
heard but um

814
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,399
a lot of them don't there was actually a

815
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:00,960
really good ufo sighting i heard one

816
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,000
that was um that

817
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,919
involved a gentleman that worked at the

818
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,919
high school uh-huh

819
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,000
and i guess a lot of people actually

820
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:12,720
junior hits that ufo fighting

821
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:16,399
and lots of strange animal sightings

822
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:19,840
um i had one in fact i was growing up

823
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,960
like early in the morning and i was

824
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:25,120
going down the highway at highway 40 and

825
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,240
i saw two large

826
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,279
dogs on the long side of the road and so

827
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,799
i kind of throw it down because i didn't

828
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,880
want them to run out in front of me

829
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,559
and they didn't have tails they were

830
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,559
really shaggy

831
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,039
horrible looking animals and they were

832
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,799
eating roadkill

833
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,480
and then the first thing that i thought

834
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,240
it was they were hyenas

835
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:47,039
and i was like i didn't know you i had

836
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,080
hyenas

837
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,080
and so when i got to stop bike i was

838
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,919
actually ready with my brother and i

839
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:54,399
told him about it and he goes you're

840
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,039
crazy

841
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,240
there's no hyenas in utah and

842
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,279
um so and different things like

843
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,559
um we would see fireflies out at the

844
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,559
ranch and there's not fireflies

845
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,200
in utah and just a lot of different

846
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,080
little things like that are just really

847
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,519
really strange yeah there's a lot of

848
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,640
them

849
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,120
and let me ask you christine the lights

850
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,720
you mentioned lights in the sky do you

851
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,559
remember the colors were they red blue

852
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:24,880
or green

853
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:28,159
or was there another one the one night

854
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,279
that we saw

855
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,919
the lights in the sky and they were they

856
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,960
were like

857
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,960
really the ones that we'd already see

858
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,159
would be bright

859
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,200
really bright um white color

860
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,159
in the middle and they kind of had

861
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,159
lights that would circle

862
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,679
well it looks like blood you know they

863
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,600
see the one half of the circle but

864
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,559
almost like light

865
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,799
would be covering all the way around a

866
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,600
circle

867
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,559
and they would be green and blue and it

868
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,120
looked like they were almost

869
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:59,039
off pattern like the one green light

870
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,399
wouldn't stay green it would

871
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:02,399
it would go green and red and yellow and

872
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:05,840
they're all kind of different like that

873
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,679
um that we saw a lot of lights

874
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,720
um right now we saw a lot of of times

875
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,399
just sitting out there looking

876
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,760
by um lots of

877
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,760
big bright lights going in different

878
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,079
patterns which really

879
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:25,040
can't be a star can't be a helicopter

880
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:25,599
and

881
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,560
things like that constantly happening

882
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,000
when we went out there

883
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,760
and another thing that was always really

884
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:40,639
amazing about going out there at night

885
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:44,000
is it was so

886
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,119
the sky was so um intense

887
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,720
it was like you were looking at

888
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,040
everything into a telescope

889
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,960
yeah you know it was just really if all

890
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,800
the stars were really bright and

891
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,200
it was just really dark and um it was

892
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:01,760
just amazing how you could see

893
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,960
such clarity of the of the skies when

894
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,920
you're out there

895
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,760
because when i was at home you know

896
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,240
probably about 15 miles away

897
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,280
i definitely did feel like that yes

898
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,480
yes i wanted to ask you as well another

899
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:19,359
question that was quite common back then

900
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,880
um is these well for lack of a better

901
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,440
word

902
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,000
shapeshifters were shape-shifting did

903
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,760
you ever talk to anybody that may have

904
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:29,280
seen a dog-like

905
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,200
creature on their hind legs yeah

906
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,560
wow and that made that is one of the

907
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:39,599
boys that worked for me that was um

908
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,040
with her tribal um he actually

909
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,320
told me about the shapeshifters and

910
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,800
and that you know and at first i really

911
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,400
had never heard that much about him

912
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,280
before

913
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,960
and i was kind of laughing at him you

914
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,720
know i go oh come on and

915
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,040
and he would was just really pale and he

916
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,680
says you know i guess they believe

917
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,000
that if you talk about them they'll

918
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:03,599
they'll come for you

919
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,800
yes um and

920
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:09,839
they're just really really afraid of

921
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,160
them

922
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,320
and and i've heard a lot of people do

923
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,440
see a lot of

924
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,720
of different um you know

925
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,720
people walking around that roads at

926
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,839
night

927
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,560
and and then they just kind of like

928
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,200
disappeared and run off really fast

929
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,040
and so they have you know a lot of

930
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,480
stories about

931
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:31,200
the shapeshifters so that was a scary

932
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:32,800
thing also

933
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:35,599
how interesting some things never change

934
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:38,720
so some of the things stay the same

935
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,240
yes it was it was an amazing time it

936
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,560
really really was i

937
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,280
um i was really upset with myself that i

938
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,119
moved because that's what it seemed like

939
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,599
everything became

940
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:54,480
really you know everybody was talking

941
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599
about it and

942
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,760
really becoming interesting and you know

943
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:58,720
interested in

944
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:02,720
about it and i'm like um yeah

945
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:07,200
but you know it's just an amazing area

946
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,640
the whole area really really is and yeah

947
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,359
there's you know there's so many tales

948
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:14,960
and stories but there's a lot of

949
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,839
uh you know people try to make it into a

950
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,200
myth but there's a lot of

951
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,040
reality there as you mentioned the

952
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,640
native american employees of yours

953
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,079
really didn't want to go there

954
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,119
and with good reason i mean this is like

955
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:29,200
engaging in spiritual warfare when it's

956
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,920
not needed

957
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,160
and if you're around a place like that

958
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,320
bad things can happen and you can get

959
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:37,440
kind of bad things attached to you yes

960
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,720
it's true

961
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,640
and i have to keep going back to the

962
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,320
black dog brian

963
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,800
was that a shapeshifter maybe you know

964
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:45,760
what

965
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,240
black dog you know that dog actually

966
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,800
had you know it didn't really have such

967
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,000
a problem with me

968
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,599
entering the ranch but never wanted me

969
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:01,839
to leave you know it really

970
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,200
would get you know crazy when

971
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:07,200
uh i every night that i go to leave

972
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:08,240
there he would just

973
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,000
he ever just go nuts so and i know that

974
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,240
a lot of dogs are like that anyway

975
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,240
you know they're protecting their home

976
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,680
but this dog was just

977
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,560
quite quite different you could tell

978
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:21,599
that

979
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,720
when i went under stance um

980
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:29,200
you know he really didn't want me to to

981
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,240
leave that night

982
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,599
and then i didn't tell you the biggest

983
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,359
factor that was strange about when i

984
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,640
went under the fence

985
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,880
my friend said i was gone for an hour

986
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,320
and a half

987
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:43,119
you since i felt like it's gone maybe 15

988
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,400
to 20 minutes

989
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,520
now that really scared me so you lost

990
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:50,079
you you lost a little you lost a little

991
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:51,359
time

992
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,440
and to me it was just you know i went

993
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,400
for a little talk

994
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,680
and and got scared when i saw the

995
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,640
you know the eyes and tried to be brave

996
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,640
and kept going and then

997
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,520
i turned around and i mean i was running

998
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,839
pretty fast you know because i could

999
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,359
you know feel that something was

1000
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:15,920
following me and tracing me

1001
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:20,000
sure that situation you had with the

1002
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,960
running too

1003
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,839
that has been um that particular

1004
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,760
circumstance where you feel like you are

1005
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,520
running but not on a treadmill like

1006
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:29,440
you're not going anywhere

1007
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:32,800
yeah horrible feeling it really was

1008
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,270
yeah and i had a lot of

1009
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,920
bad dreams and you know and it was

1010
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,720
almost

1011
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,280
and i've i've had a lot of people in

1012
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,680
that area tell me this too that

1013
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,400
when they've experienced something out

1014
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,520
it's almost like

1015
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,880
it it's drawing you it's something

1016
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,640
that's always telling you to come back

1017
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,760
you know um something's always trying to

1018
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:04,160
draw you know draw you back there but

1019
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,040
like you have

1020
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,720
you've got there's some purpose that you

1021
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,319
need to go back there

1022
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,520
and so i think that's interesting too

1023
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:13,599
very interesting like it almost kind of

1024
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:20,470
and chris a lot of people yeah a lot

1025
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,200
like you said

1026
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,400
many many and christine the um the

1027
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,160
strangest thing about that that

1028
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,839
situation where you were running

1029
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,640
and you felt like you didn't make up any

1030
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,079
space or room or

1031
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:34,240
you didn't make up any time could your

1032
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:35,280
friends see you

1033
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,880
as you were running no they said that

1034
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,880
the minute i got under the gate well

1035
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:42,960
they said it was probably

1036
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,000
you know about 30 seconds i called

1037
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,480
under the gate and then they said they

1038
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,520
could see me

1039
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,839
and the minute i got under the gate it's

1040
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,920
probably about 30 seconds they said

1041
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,960
the wind started going really hard and

1042
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,280
you know it's quite dusty out there the

1043
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:01,280
dust was bad so they just wouldn't get

1044
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,240
in the car

1045
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,359
you know sure but now they could see me

1046
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,280
yeah they said that they didn't see me

1047
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:08,800
till i was just right there

1048
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,200
after they you know wow

1049
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:16,480
so unbelievable

1050
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,920
and yeah you mentioned um when you did

1051
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,400
see

1052
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,599
how can i

1053
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,200
that there used to be vehicles of a

1054
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,800
certain type and like you said there was

1055
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,400
a squadron of them

1056
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,000
where do you think all these vehicles

1057
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:36,710
yeah that that's true you know i

1058
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,280
and i i can't because you don't see

1059
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:44,720
those kind of vehicles in

1060
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,480
the roosevelt area you know right um

1061
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,240
you know a lot of them are farmers and

1062
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,800
you know you just don't see cars like

1063
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,240
that you don't see ten brand new

1064
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,440
escalades in a row

1065
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,920
yeah and like trucks you know the

1066
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:01,359
flatbeds

1067
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,640
so they had to be somewhere and

1068
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,280
and then to come there in a hurry about

1069
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,920
that that was just really interesting

1070
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,640
it is interesting and if you know the

1071
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,760
other interesting thing is

1072
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,560
there has been according to what i

1073
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,680
understand

1074
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,000
i do believe that i have tracked down

1075
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,440
the suicide that

1076
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,440
may have been but you know there's a

1077
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,280
little bit of a time discrepancy

1078
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,000
but there was a gentleman who did a

1079
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,160
native american

1080
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,000
actually kind of an adolescent i don't

1081
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:33,359
want to call him a man because he was a

1082
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,240
little younger

1083
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,200
and it looks like he did you did commit

1084
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,319
suicide but there

1085
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,599
there's a lot of strange stuff that

1086
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:41,760
happens in that area and a lot of people

1087
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,160
have

1088
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:45,359
health consequences mental issues mental

1089
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,160
health issues

1090
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,319
addiction issues have you heard or seen

1091
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,470
i saw a lot of mental health issues

1092
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,480
especially the ones that were coming in

1093
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,920
to pizza hut

1094
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,800
and a lot of them did have mental health

1095
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,000
issues in

1096
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:07,920
and so i i agree that

1097
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,520
probably one of the has a more

1098
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,720
side effect yeah who knows it has a lot

1099
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,839
more of the mental

1100
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,880
and health issues and i don't really

1101
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,119
hear of too many suicides but

1102
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,920
a lot of the people are or have

1103
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:26,720
addictions to alcohol or to drugs

1104
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,400
and sure and you know they were

1105
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:33,280
and and there's really not the case and

1106
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:33,680
there's

1107
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,560
too i mean it kind of seems like it's a

1108
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,720
proximity or maybe a symptom

1109
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,880
of some of these harsh energies and i

1110
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,319
don't want to go out on a limb

1111
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:47,200
and say that that's what it is but there

1112
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:47,760
are

1113
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,839
a lot of instances of odd medical stuff

1114
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,400
there was a very interesting report that

1115
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,680
came out

1116
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,640
that mentioned the high rate of

1117
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,520
stillbirths

1118
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,960
in the basin and i thought that was

1119
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:02,800
pretty horrifying

1120
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:06,079
yeah yes i heard of that too that is

1121
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:06,800
horrifying

1122
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:10,240
it is did you ever uh talk to any oil

1123
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,800
workers

1124
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,920
you know cause you figure the oil

1125
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,839
workers are kind of out on those roads

1126
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,440
all night did you ever hear any stories

1127
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,390
oh i remember

1128
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,760
talking to a few of them and

1129
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,640
it was more that's the same story seeing

1130
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,480
strange flights in the sky

1131
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:33,680
and and and that sort of thing

1132
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,119
that that would be the only story that i

1133
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,079
you know really ever heard them talking

1134
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,560
about and really didn't have

1135
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,520
very many stories about all the

1136
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,960
different things that happened

1137
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,880
on the ranch like the cavalier

1138
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,319
mutilations and

1139
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:53,200
the tripster things that would always

1140
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:53,920
happen

1141
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,440
um there so

1142
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,079
were there really nothing to tell you as

1143
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,440
far as that goes it is

1144
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,920
something that you know as to see you at

1145
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:06,319
both

1146
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,000
how cool and there's back then

1147
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:12,560
and i don't know if this has changed

1148
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,359
much or not

1149
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,240
but if i'm not mistaken back then the

1150
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,000
ute tribe had that whole

1151
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,760
bottle hollow it was brand new that

1152
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:21,839
whole complex was brand new

1153
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,550
yeah yeah it was all really new and

1154
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,160
really nice and it just

1155
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,520
built that really nice little

1156
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,000
convenience store gas station

1157
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,680
wasn't that a stunner that was so

1158
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:37,200
gorgeous when it was all brand new i

1159
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,599
can't

1160
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,960
you know and they're bringing it back

1161
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,880
they've actually it looks really nice

1162
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,079
again

1163
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,119
oh i need to go back outside yeah

1164
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,920
i haven't been out since i came back to

1165
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,560
utah

1166
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,680
i drove out just once to vernal

1167
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,599
to visit a friend and it was just a

1168
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,880
one-day thing

1169
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,280
and it was i didn't notice much when i

1170
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,040
went through there and for some reason i

1171
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,000
didn't look at it when

1172
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,880
i came back so i i want to go out and

1173
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,520
see

1174
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,319
the whole area again yeah and it is the

1175
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,920
whole area because some of the

1176
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,240
you know the towns nearby like price and

1177
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,640
green river they have their own stories

1178
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,680
and green river i heard some pretty wild

1179
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,720
stories about some

1180
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,400
strange stuff down there have did you

1181
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,599
ever hear anything from that area

1182
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:24,160
no no i never heard anything from that

1183
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,880
area

1184
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,640
well i'll tell you the one that this is

1185
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:28,480
weird i'll tell you the one that i was

1186
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,119
told by

1187
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,119
a local i went down there looking for

1188
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,880
well they have an old

1189
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,760
it was uh an applications base of some

1190
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,800
sort uh

1191
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:39,040
with military devices but i can't you

1192
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,240
know it was like a missile

1193
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,560
silo i believe maybe maybe a launch site

1194
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,480
but nothing nothing extreme

1195
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,760
and they anyway a lot of people have

1196
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,520
gone out and looked at it since popular

1197
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,520
mechanics came out with a

1198
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,520
article saying it was the quote-unquote

1199
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,880
new area 51

1200
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,280
which it isn't but a lot of people went

1201
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:58,480
out and looked at it

1202
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,400
and i guess while this was happening

1203
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,520
some strange kind of mib figures

1204
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,520
started popping up as the droves of

1205
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,119
people came in

1206
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:12,240
and i remember a story i want to say it

1207
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,640
was

1208
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,520
uh they were in an older 50s or 60s car

1209
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,480
the the woman

1210
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,960
had a big beehive hairdo and the guy had

1211
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,000
the you know the

1212
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,280
mib dark glasses and the fedora cap and

1213
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,200
the white shirt with the black tie

1214
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,280
and i think there was one in the back

1215
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,800
that was dressed the same

1216
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,400
and everybody just thought it was kind

1217
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,720
of the you know the way they were and

1218
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,680
there was nothing

1219
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,240
interesting but apparently the woman at

1220
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:38,079
some point and this was viewed by a few

1221
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,880
people

1222
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,200
she started to kind of short circuit or

1223
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:43,599
act strange or robotic or

1224
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,559
i don't know and i guess they got the

1225
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,160
heck out of there when that happened

1226
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,559
these uh these three mib types when one

1227
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,160
of them started to have a breakdown they

1228
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,920
left but they were asking people where

1229
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,640
they were from

1230
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,839
why they were there what they were

1231
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,680
looking at and um

1232
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,319
did were there ever any mib type stories

1233
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,240
from the basin

1234
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,720
i'm glad to get to that because i didn't

1235
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,480
can tell you that about

1236
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:09,760
um at the beginning how we were talking

1237
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:13,520
about the gentleman the rich gentleman

1238
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,920
okay um he actually had it wasn't a lady

1239
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,079
but he'd actually have two

1240
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,960
um men and black type looking guys that

1241
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,640
would visit the office

1242
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,680
um probably on at least three occasions

1243
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,760
they would come in and and one of them

1244
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,800
actually would have

1245
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,480
and this i know it sounds always

1246
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,880
developed that but i'm telling the truth

1247
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,119
one would have a briefcase you know it

1248
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,079
would actually

1249
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:41,760
be changed with arms you know

1250
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,800
yeah here i am just a little secretary

1251
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,760
looking at

1252
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,000
you know what's going on and i'm so

1253
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:49,839
curious you know and i'm

1254
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,119
like always asking so many questions but

1255
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,359
and but they would go back into this

1256
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,280
office shut the door

1257
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,160
and um they would come out and they they

1258
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,000
just almost looked like robots you know

1259
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,680
they wouldn't they didn't look at me

1260
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,359
they didn't talk to me

1261
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,880
and they would just head right straight

1262
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,040
out the door and

1263
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:11,680
and i kept trying to ask the gentleman

1264
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:12,160
owned

1265
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:16,720
his wife but you know they they really

1266
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:20,480
in fact started getting really really

1267
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:24,160
um upset with me and sometimes actually

1268
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:24,880
kind of

1269
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,319
threatening me i want me to just

1270
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,359
you know kind of be quiet mind my place

1271
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,640
type of thing sure that that

1272
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,280
that kind of made me feel very

1273
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,119
uncomfortable too

1274
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,440
yeah and it's it's scary when you're in

1275
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:43,040
a small town and everybody knows

1276
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,000
everybody and the same

1277
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,440
people you know they they know the

1278
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:47,200
police and control the police and

1279
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,430
very scary stuff and in duchesne

1280
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,280
duchesne is kind of a magical place too

1281
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,400
as roosevelt and as vernal is in dushane

1282
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:00,240
was there ever any high strangeness in

1283
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,670
no the the only strangest strangeness

1284
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:09,680
that i thought of is when

1285
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,280
he hired all of those contractors that

1286
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,800
renesa was doing um something in the

1287
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,160
canyons there and

1288
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,839
and what was interesting is they come

1289
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,160
back with a lot of foil samples

1290
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,200
um sorry they were actually up there you

1291
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,800
know

1292
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:29,520
getting soil samples and and whatever it

1293
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:30,079
is

1294
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,160
was it was pretty secretive too so

1295
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,839
it's that was like really really odd i

1296
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:40,079
i thought i really wonder what they were

1297
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,200
searching for

1298
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,480
you know um it seemed

1299
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,960
really strange it makes you wonder if

1300
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,119
they're taking soil samples

1301
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,559
that there there's something in the

1302
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,920
ground that they're looking for that's

1303
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,359
really interesting and that

1304
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,240
that whole ridge that whole area you

1305
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:58,480
know those ridges all through the

1306
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,400
uintah basin there's there's a lot of um

1307
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,960
abnormally i don't know what to call it

1308
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,800
like you said

1309
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,119
big winds that come in from absolutely

1310
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,880
nowhere on a quiet night

1311
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:13,359
uh you know thunderstorms that roll in

1312
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,079
when you least

1313
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,000
expect them ball lightning and stuff

1314
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:17,599
that you know you just don't see other

1315
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:18,160
places

1316
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,319
would you agree yes i agree totally

1317
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,280
very very strange and again though at

1318
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,200
the time that you're

1319
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,280
you're there and you're witnessing it

1320
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,119
it's almost like you're

1321
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,200
hypnotized and you're going oh this is

1322
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,800
normal

1323
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:37,119
that's not the only way i can describe

1324
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,000
it is

1325
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,079
that that when you're witnessing all of

1326
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,920
it it just does the team have a place

1327
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,400
until

1328
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:44,400
later on when you kind of start thinking

1329
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,440
about it

1330
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:49,119
wow so so true i am so glad that you've

1331
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,000
taken some time

1332
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,400
to like talk to us about all these

1333
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,720
amazing things because the basin's an

1334
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,839
amazing place and

1335
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,920
no matter how far back you go it seems

1336
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,079
like amazing things were taking place

1337
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,559
all of the main important things that

1338
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,240
keep fresh in my mind

1339
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,280
yeah have fun well those were quite a

1340
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,160
few and

1341
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,640
quite a lot and i i'm so appreciative

1342
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,480
for your time i know you're busy and i

1343
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,800
know that you scheduled this with me

1344
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,240
i really appreciate it and i hope to

1345
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,680
stay in touch with you and be blessed

1346
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,680
christine thank you

1347
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,520
thanks ryan have a good day you too

1348
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,920
bye-bye

1349
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,559
well there you have it guys christine

1350
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:27,280
riley

1351
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:31,040
she is a resident of the basin but from

1352
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,240
long ago

1353
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:34,400
and was there for quite a while and got

1354
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,280
to see some

1355
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,400
well pretty interesting things and it's

1356
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,559
neat to talk to residents of the basin

1357
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,319
because i think that you know

1358
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,559
even though the times change i i love

1359
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,000
that that new saying you know there's

1360
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,760
nothing new under the sun

1361
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,079
and they were seeing the same things so

1362
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,680
anyway until next time guys

1363
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,680
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1364
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:55,280
ground but don't forget

1365
00:53:02,540 --> 00:53:01,359
to take a look around

1366
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:02,550
hey

1367
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:30,470
like an invite so i stopped blast off

1368
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,640
blast off blast off come blast off in my

1369
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:35,920
time machine